My friend, fellow sex worker, porn producer, writer, and all around vivacious personality Tina Horn hosts a fun podcast called Why Are People Into That?!

I was asked about clowns, naturally.

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“I can make anybody into a clown!” Dear listeners, you may know by now that Tina is and always has been unnerved by clowns, and has even avoided requests for a YAPIT episode on that topic. Until now!

The calming, elegant darkness of Domina Dia Dynasty, co-creator of NYC’s La Maison du Rouge, inspired Tina to face her fears. Tina crawled into Dia’s homemade yurt to discuss humiliation, exaggeration, wonder, curiosity, transformation, absurdity, masks, and how Dia likes to live in the place where humor and terror intersect.